Legislature(2017 - 2018)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/06/2017 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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SENATE BILL NO. 39                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act adopting the  Municipal Property Assessed Clean                                                                    
     Energy  Act;  authorizing municipalities  to  establish                                                                    
     programs to impose  assessments for energy improvements                                                                    
     in  regions  designated   by  municipalities;  imposing                                                                    
     fees; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:40:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon read the title of the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:40:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOHN COGHILL, SPONSOR, gave a high-level overview                                                                       
of the legislation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:42:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYNNIEVA MOSS, STAFF, SENATOR COGHILL, discussed the                                                                            
Sectional Analysis (copy on file):                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 1.  Adds C-PACE financing  to powers of  Home Rule                                                                    
     municipalities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 2. Adds C-PACE financing  to powers of First Class                                                                    
     Boroughs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  3.  Adds C-PACE  financing  to  powers of  Second                                                                    
     Class Boroughs on a non-areawide basis.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  4.  Adds C-PACE  financing  to  powers of  Second                                                                    
     Class Boroughs on an areawide basis.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec.  5. Creates  a  new chapter  (Chapter  55) of  law                                                                    
     under   Title   29   -   Municipal   Government   which                                                                    
     establishes the Municipal Property Assessed Clean                                                                          
     Energy Act, sets the requirements for establishing the                                                                     
     program:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          (b)(1)   Adopt  a   resolution   of  intent   with                                                                    
          findings,  intent, description  of eligibility  of                                                                    
          property  owners and  projects, repayment,  third-                                                                    
          party   financing,    municipal   debt   servicing                                                                    
          procedures for third-party financing.                                                                                 
          (2)  Provide  a  notice of  the  report  regarding                                                                    
          assessment  program with  location of  the report,                                                                    
          time and  place of  public hearing, name  of local                                                                    
          administrator   of  program,   and  name   of  the                                                                    
          assessor.                                                                                                             
          (3) Hold a public hearing taking public comment.                                                                      
          (4)  Adopt an  ordinance establishing  the program                                                                    
          and the terms of the program.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               (c)  A   municipality  may  hire   a  program                                                                    
               director   or   contract   for   professional                                                                    
               services to administer the program.                                                                              
               (d)  A municipality  may  set an  application                                                                    
               fee, an  interest rate,  or a  combination of                                                                    
               both  to offset  costs of  administrating the                                                                    
               program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.105.  (a) Allows  for an  assessment to                                                                    
          be  imposed to  repay the  financing of  qualified                                                                    
          projects  on  commercial   real  property  in  the                                                                    
          municipality that adopts the program.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               (b)  All  parties to  the  loan  must have  a                                                                    
               written contract.                                                                                                
               (c) Identifies qualifying costs.                                                                                 
               (d)   Qualified  projects   do  not   include                                                                    
               undeveloped    lots   or    lots   undergoing                                                                    
               development at the time  of assessment or the                                                                    
               purchase of products or  devises that are not                                                                    
               a permanent part of the property.                                                                                
               (e) Provides  that a municipality  can create                                                                    
               programs  in  more  than one  region  of  the                                                                    
               municipality.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.   29.55.110.   To    create   a   program   a                                                                    
          municipality  must  prepare   a  report  with  the                                                                    
          following items:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
               (a)                                                                                                              
               (1)  A map  showing  the  boundaries of  each                                                                    
               region of the municipality in the program.                                                                       
               (2)  A  form  for written  contracts  between                                                                    
               municipality and property owner.                                                                                 
               (3) A form for  written contracts between the                                                                    
               municipality and third-party financers.                                                                          
               (4) A description of qualified projects.                                                                         
               (5)  A  plan ensuring  third-party  financing                                                                    
               sources(s)   and,   if  applicable,   raising                                                                    
               capital  for   municipal  funding   (such  as                                                                    
               bonding).                                                                                                        
               (6)  Setting   perimeters  for   issuance  of                                                                    
               bonds.                                                                                                           
               (7) Justifying the period of assessment.                                                                         
               (8)  Description of  application process  and                                                                    
               eligibility for funding.                                                                                         
               (9) Solvency requirements for applicant.                                                                         
               (10) Process municipality  will use to assess                                                                    
               the property and collect assessments.                                                                            
               (11)  Method  of  notice to  mortgage  holder                                                                    
               required for participation.                                                                                      
               (12) Method of review by third party.                                                                            
               (13)    Description    of    marketing    and                                                                    
               participant   education   provided   by   the                                                                    
               municipality.                                                                                                    
               (14)  Description  of quality  assurance  and                                                                    
               antifraud measures.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               (b) The report will  be made available on the                                                                    
               Internet website  of the municipality  and at                                                                    
               the  primary  administrative  office  of  the                                                                    
               municipality.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.115. Requires  the municipality to give                                                                    
          30-day  notice  to  any  mortgage  holder  on  the                                                                    
          property and  obtain written consent from  them to                                                                    
          enter into  a written  contract with  the property                                                                    
          owner.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.120. Requires the property owner to                                                                        
          hire an independent third party to prepare:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
               (1)                                                                                                              
                    (A)   a    review   of    the   baseline                                                                    
                   conditions, savings;                                                                                         
                    (B) outline  the projected  reduction in                                                                    
                    energy  costs,   energy  consumption  or                                                                    
                    demand,  or  a  reduction  in  emissions                                                                    
                    affecting local air quality; and                                                                            
               (2) verification of completion of project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.125. Allows  property owner to purchase                                                                    
          equipment  and  materials directly;  and  contract                                                                    
          directly for services.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  29.55.130.  Requires   the  municipality  to                                                                    
          record  in  the   appropriate  recording  district                                                                    
          details of a C-PACE assessment.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.135.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               (a) C-PACE  assessments are paramount  to all                                                                    
               other  liens except  municipal tax  liens and                                                                    
               other special assessments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               (b)  Assessment liens  run with  the property                                                                    
               and remaining balances  are not eliminated by                                                                    
               foreclosure.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
               (c) Penalties  and interest  can be  added to                                                                    
               delinquent installments.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               (d)  Allows municipalities  to recover  costs                                                                    
               and   expenses  of   a  lawsuit   to  collect                                                                    
               delinquent PACE assessments.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  29.55.140. Allows  a  municipality to  issue                                                                    
         bonds or notes to finance PACE projects.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  29.55.145. Allows  a  municipality to  enter                                                                    
          into an  agreement with  a third  party or  one or                                                                    
          more   municipalities  to   administer  a   C-PACE                                                                    
          program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.150.  A municipality  may not  coerce a                                                                    
          property  owner  by  making   the  issuance  of  a                                                                    
          permit, license, or  other authorizations from the                                                                    
          municipality  contingent  on that  property  owner                                                                    
          entering into a PACE contract.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.155. Applicability section.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.160. Definitions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 29.55.165. Short title.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 6. Immediate effective date.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon remarked that  the current version of the                                                                    
bill was version J.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  looked at  29.55.150,  and  noted that  a                                                                    
municipality could  only use it  as a  "carrot and not  as a                                                                    
stick"  on  other municipal  processes.  He  asked that  the                                                                    
issue  be addressed.  Ms. Moss  asked  for a  repeat of  the                                                                    
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:47:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche looked at page 3, Section 29.55.150.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon  wondered   if  Senator   Micciche  was                                                                    
referring  to  the   Sectional  Analysis.  Senator  Micciche                                                                    
replied in the affirmative.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon queried the page number of the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moss  explained that the issue  was on page 10,  line 7.                                                                    
She stated that it was  a coercive clause that outlined that                                                                    
a municipality  may not  issue a  permit, license,  or other                                                                    
authorization to a  person on the condition  that they enter                                                                    
into the PACE program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy wondered  if  there  were any  anticipated                                                                    
costs to  the state. Ms.  Moss replied in the  negative. She                                                                    
noted that page  7, line 16, which stated that  if there was                                                                    
a mortgage  on the  property the  mortgage holder  must sign                                                                    
off on  the loan as they  were waiving some of  their rights                                                                    
for collection.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof wondered whether  the act could  create a                                                                    
fund that  could be  comingled with  other sources  of money                                                                    
other  than bond  money  such as  federal  or private  grant                                                                    
money.  Ms. Moss  replied in  the affirmative,  and declared                                                                    
that there were federal loan  and grant programs. She stated                                                                    
that there was a speaker  from the Alaska Energy Association                                                                    
(AEA) who would address loans  and grants available from the                                                                    
USDA  and rural  utilities programs  that had  zero interest                                                                    
and other programs at approximately 3 percent interest.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  wondered whether  the  program could  be                                                                    
comingled  with municipal  bond  money for  one program;  or                                                                    
were there separate  programs that a homeowner  could use on                                                                    
each source of funds. Ms. Moss deferred to AEA.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   asked  whether   municipalities  could                                                                    
access the  State Municipal Bond  to provide  similar loans.                                                                    
Ms. Moss replied in the affirmative.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   queried   a  requirement   that   the                                                                    
applicants  have a  good credit  rating. Ms.  Moss responded                                                                    
that she  assumed that  would be  a requirement.  She stated                                                                    
that the banks required good credit.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  announced that she  wanted clarification                                                                    
from  AEA  as  to  how  potential  borrowers  met  a  credit                                                                    
standard.   She   wondered   whether  there   could   be   a                                                                    
manipulation  to a  construction loan  to someone  who would                                                                    
not   otherwise  qualify.   Ms.   Moss   replied  that   the                                                                    
municipality would create the rules for the loans.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:51:46 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:54:25 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:54:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  noted that there  was a similar  bill in                                                                    
the previous  session, which included  a letter  dated March                                                                    
16,  2015. She  wondered  if  there was  a  letter from  the                                                                    
Alaska Bankers  Association on the current  legislation. Ms.                                                                    
Moss replied that  there was not yet a letter,  but they had                                                                    
met the week prior and anticipated sending a new letter.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  wondered whether the bill  put an existing                                                                    
lienholder  in a  lower position.  Ms. Moss  replied in  the                                                                    
affirmative.  She looked  at page  7, line  16, which  noted                                                                    
that the  mortgage holder was  required to approve  the loan                                                                    
before the loan  was issued. The value of  the investment of                                                                    
the loan-held property would increase.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon felt  that the  issue may  speak to  the                                                                    
credit  worthiness issue.  She remarked  that the  remaining                                                                    
consideration would  be related to the  maximum dollar value                                                                    
of a  loan. Ms.  Moss looked  at page 7,  line 3,  and noted                                                                    
that there had been appropriate  ratio between the amount of                                                                    
the assessment and the assessed value of the property.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   queried  an  appropriate   ratio,  and                                                                    
wondered  if that  was approved  by the  local municipality.                                                                    
Ms. Moss replied that it was approved by the municipality.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon felt  that there should be  work with the                                                                    
Alaska  Energy  Authority  (AEA)  to  streamline  some  best                                                                    
practices, rather  than a variety  of best  credit practices                                                                    
adopted individually by multiple municipalities.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:58:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE  THERRIAULT, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, STATEWIDE  ENERGY POLICY                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT,   ALASKA   ENERGY  AUTHORITY,   DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY  AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  introduced                                                                    
himself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SEAN  SKALING,  DEPUTY   DIRECTOR,  ALTERNATIVE  ENERGY  AND                                                                    
ENERGY  EFFICIENCY, ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
COMMERCE,   COMMUNITY   AND    ECONOMIC   DEVELOPMENT   (via                                                                    
teleconference),  discussed   the  presentation,  Commercial                                                                    
Property Assessed Clean Energy (C-PACE)" (copy on file).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skaling  addressed   slide  2,   "Commercial  Property                                                                    
Assessed Clean Energy":                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     C-PACE is a financing mechanism for cost-effective                                                                         
     energy improvements to commercial building.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Energy improvement loans are repaid through a                                                                              
    separate, voluntary line on the property tax bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  looked  at  slide  3,  "C-PACE  Scenario."  He                                                                    
remarked  that AEA  had provided  partial reimbursement  for                                                                    
commercial energy audits to  commercial building owners, and                                                                    
many  took advantage  of that  program. He  stated that  the                                                                    
scenario  was typical  of the  businesses  that received  an                                                                    
energy audit.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:03:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche   stressed  that  the   four-year  payback                                                                    
challenged  the cash  flows of  a commercial  property owner                                                                    
and provided an appropriate ratio  between the amount of the                                                                    
assessment  and  the  assessed value  of  the  property.  He                                                                    
asserted that the bill did  not define an appropriate ratio.                                                                    
He  queried  a  definition  of  an  appropriate  ratio.  Mr.                                                                    
Skaling  replied  that  the   typical  investments  in  PACE                                                                    
programs in  the country  were all  cost-effective measures.                                                                    
The energy cost savings would pay back the loan period.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   stressed  that   Senator   Micciche's                                                                    
comments were a concern for the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling looked at slide 4, "How C-PACE Works":                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Voluntary                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Long-term financing                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Attractive loan terms                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Less Risk                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Positive cash flow                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Seamless transfer if building sold                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Repayment attached property                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skaling   addressed    slide   5,   "C-PACE   Eligible                                                                    
Improvements":                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Energy efficiency                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Heating/Cooling system                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Lighting                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Controls                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Building envelope/insulation                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Motors/pumps                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skaling   addressed    slide   6,   "C-PACE   Eligible                                                                    
Improvements":                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alternative energy                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Heat pumps                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Solar                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          Fuel switching with efficiency                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  looked at  slide  7,  "Cash Flow  from  Energy                                                                    
Improvements." He  explained that  the green was  the energy                                                                    
cost  that  the building  owner  was  paying. He  noted  the                                                                    
energy  efficiency  improvements,  and noted  a  roughly  30                                                                    
percent  savings in  the energy  costs of  the building.  He                                                                    
noted that, through  the savings, a loan could  be repaid as                                                                    
long as  the loan was  stretched out long enough  to provide                                                                    
positive cash  flow in  the yellow  area. He  explained that                                                                    
they were trying to achieve  a loan repayment that was cash-                                                                    
flow positive after the improvements.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  highlighted  slide   8,  "PACE:  How  Loan  is                                                                    
Repaid."  The slide  showed how  the program  functioned. He                                                                    
noted the property  owner in the middle.  The property owner                                                                    
made  improvements to  the  building,  therefore hiring  the                                                                    
supplier community.  The funding was made  by the investors,                                                                    
banks, or  financial institutions.  The property  owner paid                                                                    
back the loans through a  voluntary line on the property tax                                                                    
payment to  the city  or local  government, which  then paid                                                                    
the investor.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling addressed slide 9,  "33 States Enabled PACE." He                                                                    
stated that  Alaska's PACE program was  modeled after Texas,                                                                    
which  had continued  success. He  stated that  Texas had  a                                                                    
program  called,   "PACE  in  A  Box"   which  helped  Texas                                                                    
communities to quickly  establish uniformed programs between                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  wondered  which states  originated  the                                                                    
program. Mr. Skaling deferred to Mr. Therriault.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault agreed to provide that information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:11:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon wanted to know  best practices on whether                                                                    
the  program   was  misused   by  commercial   buildings  in                                                                    
depressed areas. She  queried the unintentional consequences                                                                    
of the program. She wondered  if the bill could be improved.                                                                    
Mr.  Therriault  replied that  the  first  PACE program  was                                                                    
established in California in 2008.  He stated that there was                                                                    
advice from the nationwide group,  PACE Nation, who tried to                                                                    
pull information and education  from all the involved states                                                                    
to  determine the  best practices.  He felt  that the  abuse                                                                    
would drive default  rates, but the default  rates were less                                                                    
than one percent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof wondered whether there  were any programs                                                                    
that  were rescinded.  Mr. Therriault  replied that  was not                                                                    
aware of  any programs,  but agreed to  provide information.                                                                    
He stated that  there were some initiated  programs that did                                                                    
not see any uptake, and those programs were amended.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  noted that  Texas had  requested uniform                                                                    
rules to  apply to all  the municipalities, but  there would                                                                    
be flexibility  in each municipality under  the legislation.                                                                    
She queried  a better best practice.  Mr. Therriault replied                                                                    
that  the  language  was adopted  straight  from  the  Texas                                                                    
statute.  The  uniformity  was related  to  the  community's                                                                    
establishment of  the program, and how  it communicated with                                                                    
banks and businesses. It also  outlined a broad framework of                                                                    
the interworking of the program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:16:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof assumed that  there would be an evaluation                                                                    
of the  loan-to-value, debt-to-equity ratio, ability  to pay                                                                    
credit, etc. She stressed that  there would be an assumption                                                                    
that  the municipality  had done  its own  due diligence  in                                                                    
providing the  loan. She wondered if  the municipality would                                                                    
be  in a  second  position. Mr.  Therriault  replied in  the                                                                    
affirmative.   The   PACE   repayment  obligation   was   an                                                                    
assessment   on  the   tax  bill.   All  property   tax  and                                                                    
assessments were superior liens to mortgages.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof surmised that  no signature meant no deal.                                                                    
Mr. Therriault agreed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche noted  that line  2  said "obtain  written                                                                    
consent  from  the   holder  of  a  mortgage   lien  on  the                                                                    
property." He noted  that there could be two  lenders on one                                                                    
piece of property,  and the ratio could be  satisfied by one                                                                    
lender. He  wondered if there  should be  clarification that                                                                    
each  holder of  a mortgage  must approve.  He felt  that it                                                                    
could put the primary lender  as a secondary payee, and they                                                                    
may increase the loan with  a secondary lender. He wanted to                                                                    
ensure than each mortgage holder have approval.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   encouraged    Senator   Micciche   to                                                                    
communicate his concerns with the sponsor of the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  understood  that  there  was  recommended                                                                    
ratio  recommended by  the PACE  program.  He stressed  that                                                                    
there were energy policies that  were often based on hope or                                                                    
political rhetoric  rather than  established science  on the                                                                    
proven practices to improve efficiencies.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  stressed that  the case  previously made                                                                    
sense  because  of  the  previous  high  energy  costs.  She                                                                    
stressed that Fairbanks had air  quality issues, whether the                                                                    
prices  were high  or  not. She  stressed  that the  program                                                                    
could  benefit the  Interior for  other reasons  than costs.                                                                    
She wondered  how active  the programs  were in  the country                                                                    
now that energy prices were decreased.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:21:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   wondered  how  the  communities   who  were                                                                    
suffering  with a  debt  load would  take  advantage of  the                                                                    
program.  He  remarked  that  Galena  was  facing  financial                                                                    
strain,  and  wondered  whether that  community  could  take                                                                    
advantage of  the PACE program. Mr.  Therriault replied that                                                                    
the program would  not be available in  Galena. He explained                                                                    
that  the legislation  allowed for  a local  government that                                                                    
levied a property tax to use  the bill to collect to repay a                                                                    
PACE loan.  The statute  would apply  across the  state, but                                                                    
only  be available  to those  municipalities  that levied  a                                                                    
property tax.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson wondered  if a  community  with great  strain                                                                    
would be able  to use the program.  Mr. Therriault responded                                                                    
that  the mechanism  allowed for  the community  to use  the                                                                    
existing relationship  with the property owner  to collect a                                                                    
PACE.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  noted that  there were  approximately 11                                                                    
or 12  of the 33  states did not have  programs established,                                                                    
but  had passed  enabled legislation.  She noted  that there                                                                    
were  even more.  She wondered  if the  comparison to  Texas                                                                    
only showed  one program. Mr. Therriault  replied that there                                                                    
were  12  municipalities  in Texas  who  had  initiated  the                                                                    
program under the refresh of the program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon surmised that there were many states in                                                                      
the starting stages of the program.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:26:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling looked at slide 10, "Time to Add Alaska to the                                                                      
Map." He stressed that there was no cost to the state and                                                                       
the program was voluntary.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling discussed slide 11, "C-PACE is a Win-Win-Win":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Property owners                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Lenders                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Contractor, vendors                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Energy auditors                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska economy                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling highlighted slide 12, "Easy Win for Alaska":                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Fully vetted last session                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Strong support                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Completely voluntary                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     No cost to state                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Therriault addressed slide 13, "Financing Options":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Bank loan                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Muni revenue bond                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Energy Efficiency and Conservation Loan Program                                                                            
     (EECLP)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Rural Energy Savings Program (RESP)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Other federal sources                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:33:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  remarked  that  he  would  examine  other                                                                    
legislation, and compare the other programs in the country.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  noted  that   the  bill  would  benefit                                                                    
private sector ownership. Mr. Therriault agreed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon announced  that  school districts  could                                                                    
not qualify,  because they were  not paying  property taxes.                                                                    
Mr. Therriault agreed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  wondered  whether school  districts  or                                                                    
other  government  owned  buildings could  qualify  for  the                                                                    
Energy Efficiency  and Conservation Loan Program  or for the                                                                    
Rural Energy  Savings program.  Mr. Therriault  replied that                                                                    
he was not sure. He  explained that the funds were available                                                                    
to help with efficiency.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon noted that  there were schools in climate                                                                    
regions that  were suffering from lack  of weatherization or                                                                    
energy  efficient  opportunities.   She  was  curious  about                                                                    
programs  that schools,  or  other government  organizations                                                                    
could use to lower the energy use and consumption.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof wondered who  paid for and  conducted the                                                                    
energy  audits. Mr.  Therriault  replied  that the  customer                                                                    
would pay for that expense, but  it could be rolled into the                                                                    
financing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  stressed that the  auditors were  the general                                                                    
raters in  the winterization program, so  those people could                                                                    
be  qualified  to  conduct the  assessment.  Mr.  Therriault                                                                    
agreed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling   furthered  that  the   commercial  properties                                                                    
required an additional certification for the auditors.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:37:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  ROSE,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, RENEWABLE  ENERGY  ALASKA                                                                    
PROJECT, SUTTON  (via teleconference),  spoke in  support of                                                                    
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon wondered whether  they both served on the                                                                    
Alaska   Energy   Advisory.   Mr.  Rose   replied   in   the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRITTANY SMART, FAIRBANKS NORTH STAR BOROUGH, FAIRBANKS                                                                         
(via teleconference), testified in support of the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop discussed the fiscal note.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon announced that amendments were due by                                                                        
5pm the following day. She discussed the following day's                                                                        
schedule.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 39 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 30 PPT to SFIN 02.06.17.pdf SFIN 2/6/2017 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB 39 C-PACE Senate Finance 02.06.17.pdf SFIN 2/6/2017 9:00:00 AM
SB 39
SB 39 Sectional for CRA CS.pdf SFIN 2/6/2017 9:00:00 AM
SB 39